Left vs. Right helical?

[mooshkat]

dosent matter, i dont think the arrow even makes a revolution till its past the shelf.

[Gnome]

Originally Posted by TravisL

So I got a Bitz jig for Christmas, but I haven't bought the clamp for it yet. Is there any good argument for left or right over the other?

I was going to buy the right helical jig for no particular reason except that I shoot right handed. Then I noticed that 3 Rivers fletches all their arrows with left helical, so I figured I would go with left instead in case I ever want to buy any pre-fletched arrows from them.

So I'm currently looking at the left helical clamp. Any good reason to not get it?

Also, which glue to y'all prefer? Is there a glue that does it all for arrows - fletchings, inserts, and nocks?

.....the question is not really which one…. It’s which one first…. I have had a Bitz for 15+ years, and if I had to choose which one first it would be right wing…… I think right wing is a little easier to setup, and work with….. the quill lip is easier to see than when doing left wing…. Of course, the best thing to do, is just get it over with, and get all three….

...glue for carbon arrows?.....I use super glue for feathers and inserts, and never glue nocks.... I like loctite or gorilla glue..... it's more about good surface prep, than anything else.... glue for wood arrows?, no clue.....

[olddogrib]

Get the left wing. I'm obviously the only person on the planet with this experience, but I'm RH also and back in my long bow days (think narrow shelves) the quill tip of the RH cock fletch sliced the crap out of the flesh at the base of my bow hand thumb with multiple bows. Switched to LH and the quill orientation changed enough I've never had the problem again....and yes I know I could have taken the time to trim them, but didn't have to!

[Phil]

I think the common consensus is that as long as you dont mix left and right wing feathers on the same arrow, there's no real difference between left or right wings

[Coodster]

Right or left doesn’t matter if your shooting off the shelf or elevated rest as long as you use right clamp with right wing and vise versa. Accuracy and impact will all be the same. Years ago right wing wasn’t available so I picked up left wing and didn’t look back. Yes I have both clamps and jigs. Left is mine and settings don’t change. Right clamp and jig is for everyone else’s and settings get adjusted all the time.

The point tightening and loosening with helical is eliminated with wax on the threads.
I shoot left helical


Chad


Now I have a question for everyone on the same subject.
“I have been told that left wing has more helical than right by a few degrees”
Any truth to that

[Carboniac]

Possible mechanism to impart spin by string

- as your hand holds the string the is held slightly askew of vertical. When you release the string straighten out and in doing so imparts slight rotation to the arrow.
-alternative the a slight oscillation is induced and the oscillation actually imparts the spin.

[Carboniac]

As to the OP it doesnt matter.

I have a left jig because I got a good deal on several bags of left feathers.

[TravisL]

Thanks everyone! Lot of good information in this thread.

Originally Posted by Gnome

...glue for carbon arrows?.....I use super glue for feathers and inserts, and never glue nocks.... I like loctite or gorilla glue..... it's more about good surface prep, than anything else.... glue for wood arrows?, no clue.....

I should have been more specific on my question about nock glue. My Dad gave me some old XX75 Autumn Hunters that work great for my recurve. But they're about 20 years old, and many of the nocks have become brittle and broken. I believe the nocks on them have to be glued on.

[KirkMcquest]

Originally Posted by Carboniac

Possible mechanism to impart spin by string

- as your hand holds the string the is held slightly askew of vertical. When you release the string straighten out and in doing so imparts slight rotation to the arrow.

Wouldnt the rotation then depend on whether the shooter is right or left handed"?

[jtrops]

Originally Posted by Carboniac

Possible mechanism to impart spin by string

- as your hand holds the string the is held slightly askew of vertical. When you release the string straighten out and in doing so imparts slight rotation to the arrow.
-alternative the a slight oscillation is induced and the oscillation actually imparts the spin.

If your draw pulls the string slightly off vertical the only way your bow could be vertical is if you are torquing the grip. If you are just bracing the bow against your hand then the bow will cant when the string is rotated off vertical. That seems like an easy problem to control, and I doubt that every archer that was tested was torquing the grip.

[Joedirt199]

Well then you have to take in the twist or the string, right or left twist.

Does your job depend on the most accurate arrow flight? If not, then it doesn't really matter.

Just watching slow motion videos and the arrow doesn't even start spinning till about 5 feet from the bow.

There are videos of guys shooting bareshafts that were marked on top and then shot to see where the arrow naturally turns. If mark moved left - left wing, right - right wing

[Coodster]

Travis
The xx75 must be swaged, a cone where the nock goes.
First fletch arrows with nock NOT GLUED ON.
Then take nock off, rotate swage in sandpaper between fingers to clean and roughen surface. Wipe clean. Take superglue gel and put a bead around the top 1/4 of swage. Push and rotate new nock onto shaft to nock orientation.
Think this might be what your looking for.

Chad

[Gnome]

Originally Posted by TravisL

Thanks everyone! Lot of good information in this thread.



I should have been more specific on my question about nock glue. My Dad gave me some old XX75 Autumn Hunters that work great for my recurve. But they're about 20 years old, and many of the nocks have become brittle and broken. I believe the nocks on them have to be glued on.

For aluminum arrows, most use a hot glue gun for nocks..... hot glue will let lose in hot water, or with a little heat on the shaft, so you can turn them...... technically, you could use any type glue for a swagged nock...... you could put them on with super glue, but would not be able to reposition them.....

[TravisL]

Good stuff, Gnome. I wouldn't have thought a regular hot glue gun would provide enough adhesion for swaged nocks.

[reddogge]

It must be winter.