Originally Posted by Stringwalker Jack
Border's limb geometry is different, but the material making up the limb is not from Mars. The carbon components are the same as found in other limbs. Perhaps Sid arranged them in a way that was first in the industry but that is all.
I remain unconvinced the Border limb contains anything not found in upper level Korean limbs, or limbs by other makers.
Having worked myself in the racing boat industry for 20 years and being familiar with carbon and bonding agents technology, I can tell you Sid is a great salesman.
you will know that S2 glass is not ordinary bow glass.
Bow glass is E glass.
So our TX40 laminate was S2 Glass, cross weave carbon. UD carbon.
the S2 being the outer laminate.
we stopped using this laminate in 2007. and started it in 2001.
ok, now go and look up the Samick range of BF and BF 2 and masters limb.
KPC, on another forum had a 3 year debate over this one about the tradtech limb not containing glass. he stommped up and down about it not being the case. even John Wort told me there was no glass on a Extreme BF limb.
Turns out that it does. and i was right. S2 glass = Zentron S.
so there is a glass in the top end samick limbs.
as for the Hoyt limb. They are not even glear glass on the belly. they contain black glass on the belly, and the limb mass does represent this.
As for W&W. well there Inno was supposed to be a total carbon laminate. but they dont seem to be saying much about the ex series.
and not all carbon is equal.
Id like to see them using the same carbons as we do. that would be interesteing. esp for the money they are selling W&W limbs for.
Whats the mass difference between a N-Apecs. and a EX -Power?
what is the TS difference in the. if you cant feel any change, then there isnt much difference, and if you can get the N-apecs for less moneys.
Id be very confident that our smoothness and speed would be seen by 99% of all people that tried them back to back with any Korean product.
We have seen reports that we are between 4-10 fps faster than any mass produced limb like for like. price for price. but if you wanted a conventional profile, then we do that too. our CV series will deliver more speed, but a SLIGHT smoothness gain over the likes of a Inno type limb but our conventional limb is $378 for the wood core.
Why spend 600 bucks for a limb when somthing thats torsionally stiffer, slighty faster, and slightly smoother than anything out there, for $378 or $443 for the full hyperflex core.
Jack you really have a downer on us.
I can assure you there are NOT many limbs out there with a SE/PDF value of over 1.0 at 28"... we didnt do that without doing our homework.
NOW remember they are going though a dealer , who are taking thier 30-40% cut. so remember they dont have the materials budget since its part gobbled up in dealer discounts.
there are at least 28 different specs of carbon. excluding the use of nanotubes, and resin systems. some of these are expesnive. We have to piggy back some F1 team orders to get some of the carbons we need. Special order stuff, not normal production runs from even the carbon manufacturers dont run this stuff normally.