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Old 12-06-2012, 03:28 PM
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Default 2016's from a 30lb bow

Guys I have an old 30lb recurve and a pile of 2016's. I was thinking about ordering some 200 and 300 gr field points to see if it might work. Anybody tried it? What do you guys think?
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Old 12-06-2012, 03:44 PM
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Default Re: 2016's from a 30lb bow

I think they will be so heavy they will fly like the proverbial telephone pole and sink like a bowling ball. I shoot 2016s out of 50#-55# bows. On the plus side the bow should be plenty quiet.
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Default Re: 2016's from a 30lb bow

Download Stu Miller's Dynamic Spine calculator and play around. Available here.

Shaft length will come into it.
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Default Re: 2016's from a 30lb bow

I just tried again and I have never been able to get that calculator to work.
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Default Re: 2016's from a 30lb bow

So many variables but I started of with 28# limbs and full length 1916 Jazz arrows (80 grain points?) so I think you should be able to get them to fly. Possibly even tune.
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Default Re: 2016's from a 30lb bow

Ok thanks, I have never figured out why that calculator won't run on my machine. I get the chart up on the calculator but can't change any data on it.
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Old 12-06-2012, 06:23 PM
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Default Re: 2016's from a 30lb bow

I shoot my 2016s (xx75 Gamegetter 500s) out of my 30# pvc bow, draw a bit over 30, maybe 33, 34, depending on ambient temp. They are 31 1/2 ", with 125 grain tips, and have to paradox around the bow as my pvc bow is off the knuckles. I have a 30# York with no shelf and it shoots the 2016s just as well (excellent), and a 30# Pearson Jetbow... same results.

My draw brings the Pearson and York to 35#. Depends on drawlength to determine arrow length, but 31" or so 2016s will fly great with a 30# bow and proper tips. Besides, shooting a 50# bow at 35 or 40 yards is WAY easier than an old 30#er. I like the challenge. Think "arc".
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Default Re: 2016's from a 30lb bow

I shoot full length (32") 2315's out of 30lb limbs that end up 28lb on my fingers.

37 grain insert with 150 grain points, end up with at arrow right at 600 grain.
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Default Re: 2016's from a 30lb bow

You might be able to get them to fly straight but they will be way too heavy for a good trajectory. 1716 or 1816 would suit that bow weight better. - lbg
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Default Re: 2016's from a 30lb bow

I have good luck with 1716's at 29in long from my 30# sage
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Default Re: 2016's from a 30lb bow

I think 2016 is for more like 50#-60# when cut to normal length tipped with a typical-weight point.
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Default Re: 2016's from a 30lb bow

Yes guys I shoot the from my 56 lb recurve all the time. That was not the point.
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Default Re: 2016's from a 30lb bow

I may be wrong, but kinda doubt that any calculator will give you a formula to shoot 2016's from a 30# bow. Me thinks you can do it with some experimentation. Full-length shafts and various heavy points to weaken the spine will probably be needed. If this is going to be an indoor arrow, the only questions in my mind (gap-shooter) is will my point-on be below the spot and how low?

Let us know how it works out...good luck!
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Default Re: 2016's from a 30lb bow

I shoot full length 2016's (32") from my Titan III w/ 31# limbs. 125gr points and std inserts - makes for a good indoor setup.
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Default Re: 2016's from a 30lb bow

At this point, we have some who say no way, and some have have good luck with it.

What is your desired shooting? targets I'm guessing with 30#s. I say give it a try- the worst that can happen is you miss. A lot depends on tip weight, draw length, and overall arrow length.

Sure, this ain't for long range shots... no 70-meters for you, though I can generally hit a 2 foot target most shots at 60 yards with my 2016s and 125 grain tips... at a 15 to 20 degree angle... and the arrows even stick as long as I have good pointy field tips, not target blunts

But for form work or punching holes in paper, or even rubber ducks on a string, it's a great way to fling a ton of arrows over an afternoon.
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Default Re: 2016's from a 30lb bow

What Centershot said-a good indoor setup.

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Default Re: 2016's from a 30lb bow

What Puppyhead said, there was not a mentioned discipline for shooting the 2016s. For indoors I say they shouldl work fine. For outdoors and 3-D they will be way too heavy with a rainbow trajectory at longer distances. I have some 2016s downstairs and a 30# bow and I'll shoot some and let you know how they do. I don't have anything heavier than 175gr field points though and the bow is a classic Browning Spartan so relatively untunable.

OK, I shot my 2016s out of the Browning 30# bow. Arrows were 29.5" and heaviest point I could find was 145gr. The bow is not centercut so the arrow was way too far to the left of center, not good for a stiff arrow. They just about flipped sideways coming off the bow but I got some better flight the more I shot them and the more I lengthened my draw. Nothing close to good flight though and the majority of the arrows were left of target. My normal point on with this bow and 1716s with anchoring middle finger near corner of mouth is 45 yards and this was 25 yards point on.

Conclusion, they should be tunable if you had more point weight and a more center cut bow or a means to tune it better. The trajectory will not improve unless you have a longer draw then my 27.5-28". Might make for a good indoor combination.

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Default Re: 2016's from a 30lb bow

I am at my neighbor's and we are taking a break from making finger slings. I showed him this thread and his take is that there are a lot of variables in any set-up. He said that the arrows that he made up for me 31 inch 45-65 cheapo Wally World carbons, are way too stiff for my Sam Dunham BB riser w/ 45 lb. limbs. He also said that by fooling around with the rest, using a FF string, adding Pope and Young style feathers and 175 gn. field points, we are able to make them work when I really concentrate and get a good draw and a good release. He says that it is a lot of fun to experiment and that Cpt. Bill should try different weight points, different fletching, different string and use a rest.

What the spine charts don't capture is the archer's spirit. Sometimes, ya just gotta get out there and fling 'em. If they don't work, 2016s are popular shafts - Capt can trade them for something lighter.
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Default Re: 2016's from a 30lb bow

I am currently shooting 29.5" 2020 Legacy shafts with 145gr point and 18gr insert with 5.5 in feathers (580gr total arrows weight), out of a 21" Hoyt Excel with medium 30# Border TXB limbs. Total draw weight at my 28" draw length is 36#. They fly like lead balloons, but are point on at 20yrds which makes them perfect for indoor my indoor spots league. So I don't doubt for a second that you could get 2016s to fly out of a 30# bow with the right point weight/lenth combination.
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Default Re: 2016's from a 30lb bow

I am shooting Easton Legacy 2016s out of my 30# limbs and am point on at 25 yards. They are slow but they shoot great.
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