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Old 05-23-2016, 03:30 PM
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Default Re: 'Known range' 3D ?

I think judging range is skill that can be learned and as most of the other types of targets have known ranges it is good to leave 3D unknown.
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Default Re: 'Known range' 3D ?

The shoots I shoot at they call it known 40 and known 50. shooters use there range finder to get the yardage and then shoot. I can see where the compound hunters that use rangefinders hunting would like it. it might keep a new shooter from loosing some arrows starting out.
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I'm all for it. I don't do unknown hunting. I used to not like the idea, but the success in the ASA is having has definitely changed my mind. Seems like it brings a lot of people into the sport that would otherwise not participate. You have to put in just as much time judging yardage ad you do shooting to be very proficient. Some of us just don't have that time.

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Like Cecil says, it's called K50, K40 etc here. The K50 has outgrown the Open class after about one season of being introduced. I know plenty of "Trad" guys who vocally object to it saying it's heresy for 3D but I think it will grow 3D way bigger. The new federations in both Ontario and the UK are ASA based and mostly known, I think it's the way it's headed now.


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Default Re: 'Known range' 3D ?

I gap at the bow and have 1/2", 3/8", and 1/4" gaps. I cant see converting to mm or trying to see the difference between 1/4 and 5/16 cause the distance is 27yds and not 30. If it helps you to know the distance, great, but I wont be changing gaps if it went to known.

While we are making it easier for everybody with hopes of getting more shooters, why not put all the targets at the same distance. So you shoot white stake all your shots are 25yds. You shoot orange, all your shots are 30yds. Lets give everybody a ribbon that says winner.
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Removes a LOT of home field advantage and also the advantage guys have who own a lot of 3D targets.

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Easier?I guess if you base everything on points per target. Scores will be higher, but so will the competition. Doesn't make the competition any easier for the top.

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I actually find known yardage harder, I'm not sure why. Perhaps if I know the yardage my expectations are higher so my failures more painfull, who knows Lol


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Default Re: 'Known range' 3D ?

With so few field tournaments, known yardage 3D is a way to get practice. The problem with unmarked is that I don't know if I executed a poor shot, or missed on the distance. There are some major marked shoots, including Redding. And don't a lot of hunters use range finders? Or spot distances ahead of time from their tree?
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Default Re: 'Known range' 3D ?

It is just another game. It is a matter of choice. I think marked 3D is preferred in the Western US and NorCal because all clubs have field archery ranges to 80 yards and the easiest way to set up a shoot is to just put the animal figures in front of the butts. Also there are way more compound archers than us and they really like to know the distance.

The Redding shoot is up hill and down dale, and the Bigfoot is at 101 yards. So even though it is marked I think it is the most challenging tourney of all. Especially with a longbow and wooden arrows. But I am biased because I won it.

But, in truth I think unmarked is a better test of bowhunting archery skill. I do think the IBO version is too short, just circa 33 yards for longbow. In my opinion that encourages too specialized short range setup and technique, like high anchors, long heavy arrows and weak bows. I don't want to be merely a short range specialist; I want to be an all around good archer.

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Default Re: 'Known range' 3D ?

I like them both.

But then again I like it any way I can get it.
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Default Re: 'Known range' 3D ?

As long as everyone uses the same rules then it is just competition. You could put in a 3D course rule that everyone has to shoot standing on one leg. As Mr. Demmer says, it is still competition.

I am usually a good guesser (just not a good shooter yet) out to 25-26 yards. I don't personally know anyone else who shoots a recurve; the few friends I shoot with have wheelie bows and always ask why they have to guess the distances, usually after they lose an arrow on the longer ones. Later in the season they do use their rangefinders, preparing for hunting season, but they don't turn in their cards.

If there is a demand, I guess an easy solution for the competition part is to make white scorecards and yellow scorecards - maybe pay an extra $2 and allow the use of rangefinders with your yellow card. White competes with the other whites, yellow competes with the other yellows.
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Default Re: 'Known range' 3D ?

I like Demmers point, "I dont hunt unknown". From my ground blind and treestands I know the yardage to every reference point out to 50 yds.

It should be very informative to those that want to guess the yardage, you get to see how close you were before you shoot.

Hey, if it gets more people involved its a good thing
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Default Re: 'Known range' 3D ?

Being new to Utah, all 3-D shoots are marked with targets also having an Orange sticker in the 12-ring...

I have to admit, I'm not a fan but to my surprise the courses also have a second target 1-3 yards in front or behind the dotted one...I'm not sure why the courses are set this way and it doesn't really matter, I just shoot both of them...

Again, I'm not a fan but out here there isn't a large Trad following and the Pounders dominate, so I shoot for fun and shoot only for practice...

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Default Re: 'Known range' 3D ?

I have never shot one but I would not be a fan of marked 3-D. Range estimation to me is part of the fun and part of the game. For marked I like field archery. It would help me but most of my friends I shoot with don't care about yardage anyway. They call me a "dirty rotten stinkin' gapper" anyway, in jest of course.
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