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Old 04-20-2017, 07:19 PM
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Just recently (maybe a week ago) a member here asked about strings for a Border CH to which our member Breathn here (John's Customs) promptly responded where he had tried 8125, 8190 and Fast Flight Plus where of the 3?...He liked the FF+ string material best and with that?...

I promptly PM'ed him asking if he'd being willing to make me strings out of the FF+ string material for both my Hex7.5 CH and my Hex7 Tempest rig which he did and they arrived Priority Mail today!

In our conversing John mentioned a couple things too me...one was that these would be "Endless Loop" (and not Flemish twist) as he feels the served ends track cleaner in the string grooves and the second thing he mentioned (that I was happy to hear) was that he uses Majesty for his serving material...and I was happy to hear that because while I know I've loosed at least a couple thousand shots off the string that's on my CH?...the center serving was already getting a little past "fuzzy" where the nock leaves the string and I felt this sort of wear to be a bit premature where I'd be better served with a more durable serving material and John delivered and I also went with his color choices for my CH which were Light Green & Tan w/ a Black Pinstripe...



and it did look quite tasteful on my CH...



I also thought the two different color end loop servings were a neat touch and I'd pit the quality of John's wraps against the best I've seen as not only were his strands well organized...



but his servings were cleanly done & tight...



So how did it play out?...

From fresh off the paper clip with no twists added or taken away my CH braced at 7 3/8ths"...this is 3/8ths over the max recommended but I felt certain all that (and maybe more) would stretch out and go away as I shot it in and?...

After 12 Shots: It was at 7 1/4" BH too the front of the serving (loosing 1/8th")

After 24 Shots: It was at 7 1/4" BH

After 48 Shots: It was at 7 1/4" BH

After 100 Shots: It was at 7 1/4" BH too the middle of the serving.

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While my ears could (just barely) detect that the tightly wrapped served ends were coming into the limbs string grooves harder?...it just seemed a difference in tone and type of noise but nothing I'd term as actually being any louder...and this is with no string leeches like were on the string it replaced.

John?...Thanks so much man!...The strings are real nice and now I can't wait to get the other one on the Tempest!
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Old 04-20-2017, 07:35 PM
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Nice review Jinks. The string looks good on there.
I haven't used Johns strings myself, but I can say in my years of shooting compound his strings were always very well regarded by the compound community, as was the work he did on his customers bows. I'm sure you will be more then happy with your new strings.



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Old 04-21-2017, 04:33 AM
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Thanks Jinks ,those loose pieces on each end are to seperate colors in perfect center to put your silencers in..On a 3 color string it's hard to get that perfect center so I stick piece of material in before twisting ,so if not putting any in just pull those out..
Also they are pre stretched at 400 pds on air stretchers so they usually won't move after the initial settling period of first few shots .
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Excellent work!

Stretching makes a big difference in set up.
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Wow keeping the colors separated is something I'm trying to learn. Great looking string!!! On the flip side, isnt the string short Jinks? You shouldn't be shooting it outside of the recommended bh. Looks like the end servings could be a bit longer as well. Tough to sort those things out without having a set to measure no doubt.
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Old 04-21-2017, 06:29 AM
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Wow keeping the colors separated is something I'm trying to learn. Great looking string!!! On the flip side, isnt the string short Jinks? You shouldn't be shooting it outside of the recommended bh. Looks like the end servings could be a bit longer as well. Tough to sort those things out without having a set to measure no doubt.
I have no clue why you're saying the servings should be longer cause from what I'm seeing?...this string is spot on in every way..including loop size.

John has owned quite a few sets of Borders Hex7/7.5 limbs and the first thing he questioned was the string length of my Hex7.5 CH string...the one I pulled off that had it at a 7" BY measured just under 62 3/8ths"...loops stretched straight.

We both knew this seemed short by at least 1/2" so I measured again and got the same thing...why?...I have no clue...maybe because of the .036" shim pack I installed between the lower limb base and riser?

Anyways?....it only stretched 1/8th"...down too 7 1/4" BH ...which I don't feel is abusive to this bow whose DO range is 27"-29" with a 30" max draw..while I draw 28"s and am shooting 525gr/13.8+top arrows...and still getting 170-172fps
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Old 04-21-2017, 06:23 AM
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Ends are served 9.5 inches Wich works well on the hex 7 and 7.5 ..There should be enough room to take a few twist out if he needs shorter brace ..
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My bad John, I saw the end serving length incorrectly. Where I saw the last ring is far from where the serving stops, sorry about that. As for the length, is there enough twist to get down to 6.5" bh? Again great looking string and only losing 1/8" is awesome.
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Old 04-21-2017, 09:00 AM
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....Again great looking string and only losing 1/8" is awesome.
Yep....besides the top tier build quality?....I was quite taken to observe this string lose only 1/8" after the first dozen shots and then stabilize for what was somewhere around 100 shots total.

At first I thought this was attributable to the endless loop build VS Flemish as I've had Rhino and Fury class Flemish strings behave like this where for FF+ to act the same was completely unexpected.

But now I suspect John's 400# tension had much to do with it as well cause this string?....made D97 look like a bungee cord!

Thanks again John and order #2 is forthcoming.
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My bad John, I saw the end serving length incorrectly. Where I saw the last ring is far from where the serving stops, sorry about that. As for the length, is there enough twist to get down to 6.5" bh? Again great looking string and only losing 1/8" is awesome.
Probably not enough room to get it that low ,but down to 7 shouldn't be a problem..Jinks wants it lower I'll just build him a longer string
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Old 04-21-2017, 03:46 PM
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Probably not enough room to get it that low ,but down to 7 shouldn't be a problem..Jinks wants it lower I'll just build him a longer string
That won't be necessary at all John and just for some more 411 for everyone?...

Apparently the string wasn't entirely settled in but very close as I left the bow strung overnight and when I got home from work this evening?...

My 7 1/4" BH had moved from the center of the serving too the back of the serving where it lost "close too" a 1/16th" sitting strung for 24hrs...but still?...awesome...where for all intensive purposes BH was now at 7 3/16ths".

From there?...I took five (5) twists OUT of the string where it then braced at 7"s even too the front of the serving...shot 3 arrows "to set it"...and it didn't move.

So 5 twists OFF the string lowered BH by 1/8th" and I'm leaving it there at 7 1/16th" as I have a Traditional 3D to shoot at Brevard Archers tomorrow morning and I'm shooting this CH strung just the way it is now...off-the-shelf...12" stab...525gr/13.8gpp arrows.

Thanks again John and it appears you don't need any introduction in many circles where you're already known as a premier string maker and?...

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Old 04-21-2017, 10:25 AM
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I'll be first to admit I've always been one to build with least stretch material possible on compounds..So going with a material with more elasticity was hard for me but I learned just because it's more elastic doesn't mean it'll stretch ..I've got a ilf riser I machined and put set of hex 6 limbs on with 16 strands of the fast flite plus and being 54pds at my draw after approximately 1,000 shots the brace only moved 1/8 inch ..And like you saw Jinks it was in first 50-100 shots and hasn't moved since .And I don't attribute that to stretch but in fact the strands letting the elasticity take place .
I'm also liking 8190 ,Wich I used years ago but got away from it on compounds but on single string rigs it and fast flite plus seem a tad quieter to me.
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John,

Are the end loops served with the tag ends or is that clear serving material?

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Old 04-21-2017, 02:16 PM
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Actually what I do is serve the loop with .008 Spectra ,then I tag wrap over it with the actual material tag ,makes the loops super tough
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Good luck Jinks ,love that rig .
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