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Old 05-23-2016, 07:03 AM
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Default 'Known range' 3D ?

This was mentioned in another thread but rather than muddy the water over there -

I only recently became aware of the idea of 'known range' 3D shooting, and my first thought was 'hunh?' I've always operated under the assumption that 3D was a hunting game where yardage was unknown, just like in the woods.

I have no problem with 'field' target shooting, indoor or outdoor, 20 yards or 70 meters or whatever. Just bothers my crotchety old self to see an essential (imo of course) element removed from 3D.

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Default Re: 'Known range' 3D ?

I think that as long as it has it's own class then it harms no one. It's the fastest growing class here and it brings in field guys to play so I'm all for it.
I've never bought into the "hunting practice" thing, it's just a target game to me anyway.


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Default Re: 'Known range' 3D ?

"" I've never bought into the "hunting practice" thing, it's just a target game to me anyway.""

That's 'cause you never shot my course ;-)
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That's 'cause you never shot my course ;-)

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Default Re: 'Known range' 3D ?

When I first heard of known yardage 3Ds, my opinion was the same as yours. For some reason, the thought offended some sense of purity in me. That was several years ago, and I’ve since changed my mind.

I’ve shot a few known yardage 3D shoots over the past several years, an annual safari shoot in WI, the indoor 3D in Kalamazoo and just last weekend a 34-animal round at my local club. Honestly, I enjoy the heck out of it. Yes, it removes a major element of normal 3D archery, but it also removes something else…excuses.

If I know a wolf target is 32 yards away and I hit three inches low, I can’t tell myself I made a perfect shot but misjudged the distance. I know my shot was off. Known distance 3D allows me to enjoy a pastime I love—3D archery—while forcing me to accept the reality of my own accuracy. I think it’s a pretty fun idea, and I hope more clubs in my area give it a try.

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Default Re: 'Known range' 3D ?

I like both aspects of known and un-known yardage. A big benefit of known and the main reason we chose to do it at the Kalamazoo Expo was time constraints. It will make a round go a little faster if the yardage is already known. No time spent (indoors) counting steps from targets, or looking at 8ft sections of walls, or ceiling tiles, etc. If someone doesn't gap or stringwalk and they don't care about exact yardage then don't use the info. There is also zero reason for any one to suggest that "so and so is pacing the targets, that's cheating."

On a side note: The other time saver in our pocket if binocs ever cause to much of a slow down, is orange dots in the 10 ring ala Redding.


For outdoor when I'm shooting "hunting practice" 3d rounds I prefer un-known. It helps when I go hunting and forget my range finder. ;0)
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Default Re: 'Known range' 3D ?

""it also removes something else…excuses.""

aaiiiyeee! now I really hate it! :-)
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Default Re: 'Known range' 3D ?

I just shot our local club's known-distance course last Saturday (with Wesbrock....) I found it to be very helpful. I will take the shot first, and then use the sheet to help me understand my shooting error, or success. In other words, I am not a purely gap-shooting longbow guy, but I do find it helpful to know ball-park distances, over different terrain, etc. to improve my shooting. Plus the guys that set it up did a fine job -- most shots 22-32 yards (except for the quartering-away gummy bear at 18 yards...).

benzy: I shot that indoor K'zoo course at the Expo. You guys did a nice job. I liked the pay-out. Thanks.
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Default Re: 'Known range' 3D ?

I regard "known distance" 3d events to simply be a nice change up from the standard format. No doubt that it may be more appealing to those archers who have not developed the skill to judge distances and are afraid of losing or damaging arrows, so if it gets them to play the game, it's all good.
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Default Re: 'Known range' 3D ?

I like the idea... cause I can't judge distance worth a crap.. LOL Reason I carry a rangefinder when hunting.. :-) Our State 3D ws unmarked, shots felt great but was mostly high low all day, my "excuse' was yardage guestimation sucked...
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Default Re: 'Known range' 3D ?

Our local 3D circuit 3D always has two courses to be shot, a marked "known range" and an unmarked range.
It doesn't bother me either way and I normally shoot the same sort of scores on both courses.
Plus at between 10 and 35 yards I've never felt I needed to be told the ranges.
Marked ranges have always been for the benefit of the compound sighted folks to show their shooting skills rather than their range finding skills.
We find it works for everybody and attracts more competition amongst a fairly small shooting community.

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Default Re: 'Known range' 3D ?

Just like hunting a person can chose to "know" the distance (rangefinders aren't uncommon) or not. Just because the information is present doesn't mean you have to use it.

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Default Re: 'Known range' 3D ?

You don't read the 3D forum? ;-)
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Default Re: 'Known range' 3D ?

"Marked 3D" is popular in Northern California were as "unmarked" is popular in Southern California. So there was two shoots for state. Not a bad thing in my mind.
We tried it a couple times at our club. Of course according to the "experts" our ranges were not correct. Their range finders were always better than ours. So we gave it up. Just run a shoot where rangefinders are OK.
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