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Old 05-19-2017, 01:47 AM
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It's been a while since I posted anything. I've been shooting my ELB exclusively for 4 months now and I wanted to ask you how it looks.
My scores are non existent, but slowly my groups are getting better with the longbow. I found that my scores with the slick stick have improved exponentially!
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Old 05-19-2017, 02:29 AM
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Your form looks ok to me, if a little quick in the loose.
Do you actually touch your face at your "brief" anchor? - i see no signs of pressure on the skin.
Even a smaller delay in the loose while you "look" the target a little longer may result in better scores.

I started out shooting ELBs & under the "it's a stick half broke", "hysteresis", "don't hold too long" I think I learnt to shoot too quick - often getting the comment: "ah!, you're snap shooting" - no i wasn't it's the way i learnt shoot.
Modern (laminated) ELBs can be more robust so the old admonitions perhaps don't apply as much as they used to, especially with some the very "bamboo-ey" bows.

Having broke 4 ELBs, i mostly now shoot Border longbows (68" Griffon GL & more recently 66" T/D Raptor) & whilst doing so, my scores improved as I learnt to "look" longer.
Note: I do deliberately use the term "look" not "aim" - i use nothing in the line or periphery of my vision other than the target - just point & shoot.
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Yes I do touch my jaw and the cock feather touches the corner of my mouth. I do have to remember to check my anchor, but the truth is that I shoot better when I don't think about shooting. I'll think about slowing down some more. This bow doesn't have any bamboo, but holding for a sec can't hurt it.

I also don't use anything in my line of sight. I aim before pulling back.

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I preferred the way you shot before. This looks to me like snap shooting. Is there something that drove you to change?
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A little wide and open on the stance. Touch to fast on the shot for stationery target.
So don't be offended if I put this video up only to get my point across.
https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=lbAiKXNyHVU
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Dan, that just got me to my Youtube feed. I did not get the video.
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Works for me?
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I tried three browsers and cannot get it. Is the video public?
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I'd say if you got your back engaged and it works for you, keep doing it :-)

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I think quick, wide and open is OK if that is what you prefer. So is the rock back draw and the gentle touch point anchor.

I do think it is best to hold at least long enough for the aim to settle and for you to decide whether to proceed or begin again. We need to control the shot completion, not just shoot to a fixed rhythm no matter what. We need time enough to reject bad shots before they occur. When you feel a bad shot coming on, don't take it. That attitude helps scores considerably.

When shooting near your weight limit I think you should wait 40 seconds or between shots to allow fresh blood to oxygenate the muscles. Otherwise successive shots will feel differently, and we shoot largely by feel.

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I preferred the way you shot before. This looks to me like snap shooting. Is there something that drove you to change?
Drove me, no... haha it just happened. I'm working on shooting while pulling it through fluidly. No real pause at full draw.
But I did notice me snapping a bit too much.

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So lets talk about swing draws. I shot next to Brady Ellison back in 2010. He used a swing draw but did not dip his body or shoulders. He established his posture and maintained it throughout the draw cycle. Many folks who use a swing draw dip or lean during the draw. It is kind of a wind up motion. Look at the angle of your back shoulder during the draw. It seems like more of a rotation in the vertical plan rather then the horizontal. That means you are using shoulder muscles rather than back muscles. It is more apparent in the second video. Maybe it is a 3/4 shoulder angle, but that still puts the focus on the shoulders.
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Thanks Hank,

I'll keep an eye on that. I actually do feel my back muscles when I draw back. I will see if I can get a vid from behind, so you can see the action there.
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I'm shooting down because of safety. I'm actually pointing at the house so that's why.

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