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Speed test, Border hex vs Centaur?

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#1 ·
Hi all!

This is just my curiosity talking.
Its seems that the hex limbs are as fast as a recurve goes right now, for a longbow (1 or 2pc) that seems to be Centaur (up for debate im sure...but not in this thread).

Would be fun to see the diffrence with the 2 being pit against eachother at or around the same gpp.
This is not a thread about speed being important or not, just curios how big the difference is between 2 top performers from different classes.

So if anyone happens to be a lucky owner of both please put them thru the chrono! :)
 
#2 ·
It's pretty hard to do an exact comparisons in a back yard test but you can get a "rough" idea if you keep the draw lengths the same and the gpp the same. Blacky Schwarz tested the Centaur Carbon Elite and got 195fps at exactly 9gpp at exactly 28".

http://www.archeryreports.com/index.php/traditionalbowreports/item/centaur-carbon-elite.html?category_id=77

Not sure if the Border has been tested in exactly the same way but from what I've seen posted by a member here, they appear to be "roughly" the same.



They are both among the top performing traditional bows.
 
#5 ·
Not what i was after, im sure a long CH would beat the Centaur in both
Accuracy and speed. My question was not about ILF, if i remember correctly JP and Ray has done such a test couple of years ago.

I have seen many different reports about both bows, just not by the same tester/archer.

I might clarify that its not the actual topspeed im after, wich offcourse will vary depending on all sorts of things ( DL, realese, hootetshooter, etc) but the diffrence between them when the same person shoots the same gpp. If the chrono that person uses is off high or low it doesent mather. The diffrence will be the same.
 
#7 ·
There goes another civil conversation. Jinkster said he draws longer than 28" now also. That's why I said roughly the same and it's pretty hard to make exact comparisons in back yard testing. Can't you even be happy when someone pays Border a compliment or must you find a fight in everything? I also said...

They are both among the top performing traditional bows.
Sorry Oonder, I was just trying to answer your question. Good luck.
 
#8 · (Edited)
Hi all!

This is just my curiosity talking.
Its seems that the hex limbs are as fast as a recurve goes right now, for a longbow (1 or 2pc) that seems to be Centaur (up for debate im sure...but not in this thread).

Would be fun to see the difference with the 2 being pit against each other at or around the same gpp.
This is not a thread about speed being important or not, just curious how big the difference is between 2 top performers from different classes.

So if anyone happens to be a lucky owner of both please put them thru the Chrono! :)
Not BEING FOR OR AGAINST ANY OF THE BRANDS whether it is Border, Dryad or Morrison but these bowyers all make big curved limbs now or RC's. Have you been to Morrisons and checked out his new RC's? Now no offense to anybody, just discussion, please.

Bob Morrison Archery
www.morrisonarchery.com/
 
#14 ·
Don't know how much my unscientific tests count for, but my Covert Hunter easily bests my Centaur Triple Carbon by a good dozen or so FPS shooting similar GPP. I believe the Hex7.5 limbs are the fastest recurve limbs and Centaurs are among the fastest longbow limbs available, but the two are not comparable. Just my 2 cents.
 
#15 ·
And this is why back to back testing same chrono makes a world of difference.

Opposed to taking two different folks. Running two different setups. From trigger shot and clean string. And finger shot with puffballs.
When the data suits an agenda. Never question the accuracy of the chrono.
It always amaizes me that the same folks are quick to flame. While ignoring the objectivity they apply to other areas of thier postings.

All ive said is chrono criteque 101.
 
#17 · (Edited)
Blue line is interpolated speed: read down gpp and corresponding speed on left (fps)
Red is KE (centaur Bow Is weighted 54#@28"): for a given gpp level down read corresponding KE on right
Green is Dynamic efficiency: for a gpp level down read corresponding DE on the right


I will put the BD hex 6.5 graph but can t find it on my iPad
10 gpp speed under same testing conditions ( 28" DL AMO, hooter shooter, mech release and medium BH in the bowyer BH recommended range ) was in low to mid 190's fps
 
#19 ·
I've got a 15 inch ilf riser setup with a set of xL Centaur limbs ,they draw 56 pds at my 31 inch draw and shoot 548 gr arrow at 195ps off my fingers ,though these are ilf limbs and not a 1pc bow..
Also I've got a set of XL hex 6.6 limbs ,just hooked them on today on same riser to test , actually usually use them on a 17 inch riser but wanted to test both in same ..They pull 54pds at 31 for me on it and shoot same arrow at
206 fps..So the hex will surely be faster ..But the centaur are great also ..Jim makes great products..
 
#20 ·
I have Jim's triple carbon, foam cores, and dark matter riser. I also have a set of Hex 7 Hyperflex cores. Both are 36lbs at 30 inch. I have shot them together for quite some time, they are both fast, but the Borders win hands down. No hard numbers, no science, it is just very clear.

Have a great day,
Kasey
 
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#26 ·
Honestly i think the dryads are a faster longbow limb than the centuar as well as A&H. You cant beat that acs design. My a&h is shooting over 200fps at #45/28". Although i am using lite 3D arrows. At 9gpp its in the mid to upper 190's
 
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